Unstable idle

Good afternoon everyone, I want to share my case and see what solutions we might have, I appreciate in advance your reading and contribution to this thread, thank you very much.

I have a 2020 Honda Civic X 1.5 turbo and at 106,000 km it started having problems with the injectors and unstable idle. It has always been maintained on time and used 98 octane gasoline.

Currently, the following has been done to try to solve the problem:

  • Fuel pump replacement (under campaign)
  • Replacement of injector rail and seals
  • Injector replacement
  • Throttle body cleaning and seal replacement
  • Replacement of PCV hose (it was cracked)
  • Air filter sensor cleaning
  • Learning

For now, the issue with the jerking due to the injectors is resolved. The problem is that the idle remains unstable and Honda hasn’t found the solution (the car has been in the shop since 02/19).

I appreciate any input to find the solution and get my Civic back on the road.

Best regards to all

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Unstable idle with air conditioning on or off? Have you tried changing the air filter?

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How much was the injector change?

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1,400€ on the Honda

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New air filter, tested with and without A/C

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Do you know how much the injectors cost you without labor? I think I have them wrong.

I changed spark plugs, swapped coils, changed the cracked PCV hose, and I’m still having misfires (P300, P302, P303). What errors are you getting?

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The injectors are about 500-600€, and then the rest was labor, gaskets, and other minor things… The error code I get is P0172.

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Well, here it also adds: • dirty air filter • faulty coolant sensor (not sure if we have it) • worn-out spark plugs

Briefly explain the reason for each one.

In another post, someone had a bad MAF sensor cable (the electrical part).

Did you see the injectors when you changed them? Did they have carbon deposits on the tips?

Let’s see if you’re lucky…

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The spark plugs are new, but after a few kilometers, the injectors started to fail… one of the injectors was leaking and another was dripping, honestly, I didn’t notice any change in consumption or power. It could be that the new spark plugs were damaged because of the injectors… let’s see what they say at Honda, but honestly, the fact that they can’t find the fault makes me confirm that they are useless and just parts changers… they cleaned the MAF sensor, but I doubt they checked anything else.

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I meant the injectors if they were dirty, but yes, they were defective. If there’s oil on the spark plug threads, have them change the PCV valve or at least clean it (it’s replaced every 80k kms I think), it costs about €44 and you can change it yourself if not.

I went to the dealership in Almería and they only knew how to tell me the name of the fault, and they already wanted to start changing everything for me, well, they have no idea here either…

Have them check the air filter and the electrical connection of the MAF sensor, just to rule it out…

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It’s good to know all the possibilities

  • MAF sensor
  • air filter
  • spark plugs
  • PCV valve
  • etc.
    I have already paid the €1,400 for the repair of the injectors, the gaskets, cleaning of the throttle body and its gasket… now they tell me that everything they have to do is at their expense.
    What do I do, do I show up again (I have already gone several times and filed complaints for various reasons until they gave me a replacement Hyundai i10) and tell them how to do their job?
    Honestly, I don’t know how to act in the best way in this case since I’m quite tired of not having my car that I keep paying for and “use” to go to work…
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I know you’re tired of the subject, but while looking for the reason for my failure, another clue for yours came up in case it helps you:
• replace the oxygen sensors.

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I will discuss it with the Honda mechanic tomorrow to see what they say and if they find a solution. I will keep you updated and thank you very much.

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Hello

Do you have any news?

I started getting the P0172 yesterday.

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If you’ve never done it before, take out the MAF and give it a little clean with this, it costs next to nothing, I do it once a year

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I’ve never done it, to be honest, do you recommend doing it even if I don’t have any errors? I suppose any spray cleaner that is isopropyl alcohol would work, or does it have to be specific like the one you mentioned?

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I wouldn’t risk using another product since those sensors have a kind of film that could get damaged, and it’s quite an expensive sensor. For €10, I wouldn’t risk something worth €80 (just to name a price).

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If it has any kind of film, then no. I thought it was just metal parts on which isopropyl has no problem.

Thank you!

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Es una simple resistencia simplemente si no le vas a dar con ese producto, asegurate que la presion del chorro no es muy alta para no romper el finito hilo de la resistencia. Puedes usar limpiafrenos y alcohol isopropilico, pero ya que te pones hazlo con eso que por 10€ te facilita la vida y minimizas riesgos. Dicho esto, si se usa el filtro de serie y se ha cambiado a tiempo posiblemente no haga ni falta, pero por 10€ y 5 minutos…

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Una duda, los que llevamos el filtro k&n es más necesario limpiarlo? O da igual si llevamos ese o el de serie?

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